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Nesdev.com funding

Nesdev.com funding
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NesDev.com is currently hosted on an aging Dell Poweredge that is co-located in Idaho Falls, Idaho. When I setup the server, most of the servers that I maintained for work were running Gentoo Linux and it was easy to keep all of the work servers plus the nesdev server up to date all at the same time. Since then, the work servers have migrated to something else and I have been pulled in many different directions over the years to help out my bosses (these include helping to setup a WISP, rebuilding old Brunswick bowling pin setters, maintaining equipment use for repackaging, and other misc things including my normal computer related duties). Now, the Gentoo installation is out of date and the hardware is aging to where I am not comfortable running it for much longer.

While I have been paying the co-location and other fees for the past couple of years and can continue to do so, I have not been able to set any extra aside to put towards a new server. I bit the bullet and tried out something that I did not want to do and placed some google and amazon ads on the forums. I figured that by only showing these when the users are not logged in would not affect many people or be too much in the way and was surprised to find out how many normal users browse throughout the day and only sign in when they have something to say. Since putting these ads on, we have been averaging 24 cents a day for google and $0 on Amazon. It seems that I need to bite the bullet again and do what multiple people have suggested. I guess it is time to do away with the ads and accept donations to go towards a new server and possibly the other hosting fees.

In case anyone is curious, Here is a general overview of what I am currently paying:
Co-Location fees......................$35 bi-weekly (or around $910 a year)
Domain name..........................$12.99
Misc services (including DNS) .....$192.00
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Total......................................$1114.99 a year
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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I think you're overpaying for the domain and DNS (do you have something special in that "misc services"?). I usually use internet.bs, they're quite reliable, and I haven't had any trouble with their DNS. Today's prices for .com are 8.99 for one year, less if paying for multiple years at once, including normal DNS.

Edit: Also, what's the traffic like? Surely a small forum and a wiki could live on a single vps.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177666)
Patreon?
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177668)
Do you have a PayPal for this; I'll donate some cash to keep this place operational.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177669)
I think I've mentioned this in a past post somewhere (maybe?), but you will find that donations will be few and far between. Parodius was nearly 20 years of proof of that for me; when we closed, my out-of-pocket costs for co-location were around US$750/month. So I see $1200/year and I think "wow, that's pretty good!", haha. :-)

If monetary concerns are the main focal point (which is perfectly justified!), then my recommendation would be to find ways to diminish those costs. They're not the cheapest cloud provider, but estimating costs for instance in both EC2 and RDS in AWS would be worthwhile, IMO. Google has their cloud stuff too (AFAIK it's cheaper).

Had I gotten familiar with AWS earlier in my life, I probably could've diminished the costs of Parodius from $750/month to more like $125/month.

Basically what I'm saying is: operate under the assumption that there will be no donations ever. Worst-case scenario is always the best to default to.

Don't go the ad route if you can avoid it. I'm still glad I stayed true to my heart/ethics and never did that. Adblockers are more commonplace than ever now too, so, yeah... reality.

P.S. -- Hemming and hawing over how to save $4/year on a domain is silly. I'm giving my recommendations as someone who has done this for decades: use Gandi for DNS, NameCheap for SSL certificates, and strongly consider putting CloudFlare in front of all of that.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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calima wrote:
I think you're overpaying for the domain and DNS (do you have something special in that "misc services"?). I usually use internet.bs

I saw that name and did a double-take. "The Internet is BS"? But then I looked closer and found .bs means Bahamas.
koitsu wrote:
P.S. -- Hemming and hawing over how to save $4/year on a domain is silly. I'm giving my recommendations as someone who has done this for decades: use Gandi for DNS

Agreed; my own site's DNS has been with Gandi since 2000. But still:
Gandi wrote:
gandi.net: no bullshit™

"No BS" isn't a thinly veiled slam at Bahamian domain registrars, is it? :P

At least Gandi hasn't pulled my site down for connection to activity that some company might consider criminal, unlike Internet BS. (There is some old DS homebrew on pineight.com, and Nintendo considers homebrew enablers and game mods on its recent systems to be "criminal activity" to the point of censoring the term "PM" on Miiverse in order to suppress Project M and accepting censorship of discussion about Paper Mario and afternoons as collateral damage.)
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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koitsu wrote:
If monetary concerns are the main focal point (which is perfectly justified!), then my recommendation would be to find ways to diminish those costs. They're not the cheapest cloud provider, but estimating costs for instance in both EC2 and RDS in AWS would be worthwhile, IMO. Google has their cloud stuff too (AFAIK it's cheaper).


im not concerned as far as the current costs as I can and will be able to cover them. It is more about trying to get some newer hardware.

tepples wrote:
At least Gandi hasn't pulled my site down for connection to activity that some company might consider criminal, unlike Internet BS. (There is some old DS homebrew on pineight.com, and Nintendo considers homebrew enablers and game mods on its recent systems to be "criminal activity" to the point of censoring the term "PM" on Nintendo Network in order to suppress Project M and accepting censorship of about Paper Mario and afternoons as collateral damage.)


this is the main reason why i prefer to co-locate nesdev.com. while homebrew isnt illegal and such, you never know when a 3rd party might pull the plug on you when they dont understand the content.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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calima wrote:
I think you're overpaying for the domain and DNS (do you have something special in that "misc services"?). I usually use internet.bs, they're quite reliable, and I haven't had any trouble with their DNS. Today's prices for .com are 8.99 for one year, less if paying for multiple years at once, including normal DNS.

Edit: Also, what's the traffic like? Surely a small forum and a wiki could live on a single vps.


The misc services category is actually shared between a few others sites and services as well, so nesdev.com is more or less piggybacked on it for DNS and such.

as far as traffic, we average just over 1600 unique visitors each day. this doesnt take in to consideration what people download from the archive and such or any of the hosted sites.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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M_Tee wrote:
Patreon?


+1
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177681)
I'm happy to throw some cash in to keep this place going. nintendoage does a donation drive every so often to keep the lights on and it goes over very well. I think the key points are:

set a specific goal
detail out exactly where the funds will go
make it easy for people to send you money (paypal, etc)

Timeframe is also important. Doing a two week drive once a year or so will focus people to reach the goal, rather than having an open ended donation request.

Are ebay/amazon/etc links posted here referral-ized? That's another few bucks that people won't mind nearly as much as ads.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Since the ads are not active when logged in, and even when not logged in that presumably client-defined code can easily disable the ads, that it is not a problem. However, you probably should accept donations, as long as those can easily be hidden in the same way if wanted.

What I do not want is for links that users post to be automatically altered, although referral-izing all of your own links is OK, and adding commands specifically for Ebay and Amazon and so on may also be suitable.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177695)
Put the donate button on the top of the page and do a Kickstarter/Patreon that ties in with the NESdev coding competition. Without this site there aren't many alternatives. Spam the compo in pouet.net as well. :)

I'm ready to donate at any time.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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WhoaMan wrote:
was surprised to find out how many normal users browse throughout the day and only sign in when they have something to say.

Speaking as one [and also only read on some devices], how many happen to? I'm curious about figures.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Everyone is going to hate me for saying this, but I think we need more ads on this website. I don't see the big fuss, especially considering that they're on the top and bottom of the screen. Hell, even if they were on the sides and slid down I wouldn't care. The only bull crap thing is whenever the ads take up the entire screen and you need to press the x in the corner, or when they have audio that goes along with them because I'll be on YouTube with a website open and it'll go off.

Why does it have to be either ads or donations? (I suppose some people would only donate if there are only ads. You could ask that, and if that's the case, maybe you could have users pay to have no adds?) Donations are nice, but I really don't like the prospect of trying to fund this website exclusively through them. The problem is that everyone expects everyone else to donate, so no one ends up doing it. Really though, why would you rather pay money than see small advertisements on the side of the screen? Am I the only one who actually looks at them sometimes? I just think that it's unacceptable to have one person pay $1000+ yearly to keep this website running. Even if you got add revenue to 50c per day, that's $182.50 per year, which still isn't that crazy, but it's at least about 1/6 the cost.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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I think Patreon is better than a one-time donation that PayPal fees will eat up anyway. It's convenient in that it's an automatic payment and that the site will continue to be funded... if many people are willing to donate a small amount every month.

Look at it this way: if 40 members donate $2 each month, that's $960 a year. It pays for the co-location fee.

By the way, I think you're going about the ads all wrong: Only users should see the ads. :lol: If people want to post, ask questions, and extract your knowledge, they have to suffer. :mrgreen:


By the way, by the way, I'm onboard for making a pledge.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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So what are we up against here?
Affiliate links to buy the full version of IDA PRO? Ads for cartridge reproduction equipment and parts? Ads for those awful retreaux Steam games?
Or just some bloody KFC ads...

Either way, my Ublock Origin is happy.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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If this is about getting a new server, just do a one time fundraiser and get it done.
I don't have much of an opinion on ads. I didn't even know we had them, I'm always logged in and have an adblocker. Keep them around if they can help out with recurring costs.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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It makes no difference to me whether the site has ads or not, since I won't see them in any case. I refuse to pay money (in the form of bandwidth bills from my ISP) to have my privacy invaded, on principle.

I'm perfectly happy to cut out the middleman, though. I've made contributions to every Wikipedia donation drive I've been around for, and I'd do the same here.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Donations are OK, And how about some rewards based on money amount

Starting Reward Suggestions:

$3+: Your username becomes gold-colored!
$5+: NESDEV logo Cup
$10+: NESDEV logo T-shirt
$20+: An NES Homebrew game of your choosing (Must be Homebrew, Example: an Action 53 cart)
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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WhoaMan wrote:
I have been paying the co-location and other fees for the past couple of years and can continue to do so, I have not been able to set any extra aside to put towards a new server.
...
im not concerned as far as the current costs as I can and will be able to cover them. It is more about trying to get some newer hardware.

How can you not be concerned about (potentially high) recurring costs, but then say you don't have enough money for new hardware? I don't have enough information to say whether or not you'd save money by e.g., hosting at EC2, but my gut says you would... and at least you wouldn't need to buy a server.

Show that you'll be frugal with it, and I'll happily donate.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Even if people actually donate, I'd still keep the ads. Anyone who is that offended by them will turn on adblock, but will supposedly donate unless they want to be an asshole, so you're still getting money. I can't donate to this website (I don't have a credit card or anything, and my mother will never let me use hers for this) so I'll gladly help this website by "suffering" through some ads. :lol:
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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@Espozo

Get a credit card. Buy a few small things every month. Pay off the bill in full every month. This way you will build a good credit history. Very important when buying a car or house.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177738)
I'm a junior in high school, I don't think I need a credit card quite yet. :lol:
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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dougeff wrote:
@Espozo

Get a credit card.

Assuming Espozo's self-reporting of his age is correct, that'll take four more years. The Credit CARD Act of 2009 bans banks from issuing a credit card to someone under 21 without a co-signer or substantial independent income. And if Espozo's parents are unwilling to let him use theirs, they're probably also unwilling to co-sign for his own.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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The current ads aren't too intrusive and don't upset logged in users, or those with ad blockers, so I don't see them as a huge issue.

Please don't honor Espozo's awful different suggestion of having side ads which slide down, or do any other CSS bullshit to be more prominent. NESDev is one of the last websites I visit regularly that isn't upsetting with regards to advertising.

As Koitsu pointed out, donations can't be relied upon. If members are able to produce and sell homebrew titles, perhaps they can make some donations based on proceedings from them. Obviously that's not going to sustain the site on its own, but it might make a donation feel more approachable to have the source of money come from somewhere other than normal day job wages.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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I block ads anyway, so I don't care about them as long as they're blockable. The net stopped being surfable without an adblocker long ago, in my opinion.

I'd be glad to help funding if it's possible by PayPal - unfortunately that's the only realistic way of sending money I can think of.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Espozo wrote:
I'm a junior in high school, I don't think I
should be talking big here? :wink:

@topic: Keep the ads and accept donations, thanks! :)
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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M_Tee wrote:
Patreon?
Why is this being ignored?
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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mikejmoffitt wrote:
side ads which slide down

I never suggested it, I just said I'm not bothered by them. However, I do believe this website needs more ads in some way or another. 24 cents is nothing.

mikejmoffitt wrote:
As Koitsu pointed out, donations can't be relied upon.

So what do you want then?

Ramsis wrote:
should be talking big here?

What does that mean?

Ramsis wrote:
@topic: Keep the ads and accept donations, thanks!

Agreed.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Thanks for all the input. I created a paypal address to be used for nesdev donations ( paypal@nesdev.com ). I will be making a donation page with a ledger or sorts that will contain donation amounts and what it is spent on. I would also like to ask that anyone who donates send a message along with the donation with what name (or username, if you prefer) you would like to be shown on this ledger or if you would prefer to remain anonymous.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Could the new donate button/advertisement be made somewhat more discrete ? For example having it at the bottom. Thanks.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Bregalad wrote:
Could the new donate button/advertisement be made somewhat more discrete ? For example having it at the bottom. Thanks.

You meant "discreet"?

I think it's better to be somewhere at the top, like where it is right now, because it's visible, if that helps getting donations.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177933)
Well to me it sounds like the site is begging, which is sort of annoying.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177934)
Donated 15 buckaroos, hope it helps. A one time donation drive seems like a good idea. Ads for unregistered users seems fair if it helps reduce costs.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177937)
For ublock origin users who don't want to see the paypal bar:
Code:
forums.nesdev.com###menubar > table > tbody > tr:nth-of-type(2) > td > div > form
Then disable the filter when you feel like donating...
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177966)
We have had a few donations already. I have a crude ledger up at http://nesdev.com/donate/. I will get the ledger cleaned up and looking a bit better soon. We are currently around 20% of the goal for a new server.

Thanks to those who have donated. entries marked with "--" for the name are those who I am waiting for a reply on if the donation is anonymous or not.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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I think that expenses related to hosting would be a good use of funds generated by the action53 cartridge sales. I think it would also be nice to have the compo contribute to to the reoccurring maintenance fees as well. As for the ads/donations I don't have much input personally. I like seeing the donate button up there, and the ads are of no concern since I'm always logged in when I visit.

I might regret asking this, but I'm genuinely curious and would like to be educated on the matter if someone's willing to entertain me. So please pardon my naivety, but what are the reasons/benefits of hosting the site in the manner which is has been used for years and using an alternative like bluehost? I can assume that somehow you're getting what you pay for considering the costs are somewhere on the order of 10x more expensive. I'm only basing this off of the costs posted in the initial post, and what I'm used to paying for hosting my own site. Perhaps my fees are lower because of volume of visitors..? Or is the site's volume of data so big that it necessitates something more costly..? Something special about bbs?

Anyway, I'm just genuinely curious. If it was of any help I'd gladly offer up sharing my own server space at no charge, and giving WhoaMan or whoever full administrative access. I'm guessing it's not quite that simple though... Pretty sure I really only know enough about such matters to get myself in trouble when it comes to these web hosting matters.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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infiniteneslives wrote:
I think that expenses related to hosting would be a good use of funds generated by the action53 cartridge sales. I think it would also be nice to have the compo contribute to to the reoccurring maintenance fees as well. As for the ads/donations I don't have much input personally. I like seeing the donate button up there, and the ads are of no concern since I'm always logged in when I visit.

I might regret asking this, but I'm genuinely curious and would like to be educated on the matter if someone's willing to entertain me. So please pardon my naivety, but what are the reasons/benefits of hosting the site in the manner which is has been used for years and using an alternative like bluehost? I can assume that somehow you're getting what you pay for considering the costs are somewhere on the order of 10x more expensive. I'm only basing this off of the costs posted in the initial post, and what I'm used to paying for hosting my own site. Perhaps my fees are lower because of volume of visitors..? Or is the site's volume of data so big that it necessitates something more costly..? Something special about bbs?

Anyway, I'm just genuinely curious. If it was of any help I'd gladly offer up sharing my own server space at no charge, and giving WhoaMan or whoever full administrative access. I'm guessing it's not quite that simple though... Pretty sure I really only know enough about such matters to get myself in trouble when it comes to these web hosting matters.


There are a few reasons why I prefer to self host in a co-location environment. One of the main ones has to do with many legal departments not understanding that NES development and such is not illegal, I don't have to worry about services being shut off based off of a misunderstanding.

Another reason is that we have offered (and plan to offer more) hosting for various NES or retro related sites, most hosting providers either do not allow or throw a fit when you are hosting multiple sites under one account.

I also like the peace of mind knowing that if something goes wrong or breaks, I can drive across town and get my hands on the server. I do not have to rely on a hosting company to restore services as I can usually run down and do it myself.

Another plus is that between the servers my work has co-located at the same location and the NesDev server, we can use the rest of the rack for free. any future expansion or projects will not cost anything extra besides hardware costs.

There are many other small reasons, but the ones I listed above are the ones I am most concerned with.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177973)
Are the co-location fees you mentioned just for NESDev, or is NESDev just one of several things using it? (i.e. is all $910/annual dedicated to NESDev?)
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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rainwarrior wrote:
Are the co-location fees you mentioned just for NESDev, or is NESDev just one of several things using it? (i.e. is all $910/annual dedicated to NESDev?)


the $910 is dedicated to just the NesDev server. The current NesDev server is a 1U Dell Poweredge, the ISP charges per rack unit up to a certain point. My work has 6 2u servers + a 1U router co-located and when you add in the NesDev server it brings is to where we can use the rest of the rack.

edit:
and this is good since I will be going with a 2U server
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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infiniteneslives wrote:
what are the reasons/benefits of hosting the site in the manner which is has been used for years and using an alternative like bluehost?

"Shared hosting" setups don't let you change, say, the stop word list or minimum word length for MySQL's built-in full-text search. (To work around that, I ended up writing my own full-text search.) To get this sort of customization, you need the next step up, a "VPS" (virtual private server). On a VPS, you run your own stripped-down Linux (with most drivers removed), your own nginx or Apache, your own PHP, and your own MySQL.

Quote:
Something special about bbs?

I think our copy of MySQL is specially configured so that we can search for three-letter words.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#177990)
Donated.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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B00daW wrote:
Donated.

Thanks, I will get it added to the ledger here shortly. :) As it currently sits , we are around $460 out of the $600 server goal
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#178002)
I R broke. But, I was thinking about selling my bass guitar (since I never use it) and use the money for game development. Maybe I'll throw a few bucks your way. Maybe.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#178009)
Dwedit wrote:
For ublock origin users who don't want to see the paypal bar:
Code:
forums.nesdev.com###menubar > table > tbody > tr:nth-of-type(2) > td > div > form
Then disable the filter when you feel like donating...
Thanks; this was helpful to me. I use Stylish instead, although a similar code is usable with Stylish to do the same thing. I have no PayPal account or credit card so I cannot donate with that anyways, although you are of course correct that anyone who does want to donate later can temporarily disable it (and if some day I can donate, I expect that I will).

Here is the code for using it with Stylish in case it helps anyone (although if you already know Stylish, you can probably easily convert the above code yourself anyways):
Code:
@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);

@-moz-document domain("forums.nesdev.com") {
  #menubar > table > tbody > tr:nth-of-type(2) > td > div > form {
    display: none;
  }
}
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#178011)
I just remembered why I don't like PayPal... they won't take my money. :roll:
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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zzo38 wrote:
Here is the code for using it with Stylish
Handy, thanks.
WhoaMan wrote:
We have had a few donations already. I have a crude ledger up at http://nesdev.com/donate/.

Wouldn't table format be better?
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Myask wrote:
WhoaMan wrote:
We have had a few donations already. I have a crude ledger up at http://nesdev.com/donate/.
Wouldn't table format be better?
I agree I would think so too.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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zzo38 wrote:
Myask wrote:
WhoaMan wrote:
We have had a few donations already. I have a crude ledger up at http://nesdev.com/donate/.
Wouldn't table format be better?
I agree I would think so too.

the current ledger is more of a temp one. I am working on a new database driven system for the main domain and will replace that static page when it is ready. a couple lines of CSS will make it more table like for bigger screens and similar to how it currently is on smaller screens.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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As of earlier today, we are at $576.36 of our $600 goal for a new server. Once the $600 goal has been met, I will remove the donate banner from the top of the forums but keep the donate page up on nesdev.com with any remaining donations going towards the co-location fees.

thanks again for all the support in getting the new server and the upcoming changes :)
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#178260)
We had three donations come in after that last post, we have surpassed the goal and are now at $749.45. Since we have reached the goal, the donate button has been removed from the corner of the forums. It looks like we should have our new server and get it up and running sometime between the 2nd and 9th.

thanks again to everyone who donated :)
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#178338)
We did it! I knew we could. :)
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Consider me very impressed that the donations were so high -- all for pretty much 1 site (I think) -- and that puts a smile on my face. I think we live in different times now, as had I applied this exact approach for Parodius as a whole, there is no chance in hell we would've gotten US$500+ donations, and I would have been chastised and lectured in full by every user/visitor/community member for it (re: "this is highly invasive" etc.). Remarkable how times change.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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koitsu wrote:
Consider me very impressed that the donations were so high -- all for pretty much 1 site (I think) -- and that puts a smile on my face. I think we live in different times now, as had I applied this exact approach for Parodius as a whole, there is no chance in hell we would've gotten US$500+ donations, and I would have been chastised and lectured in full by every user/visitor/community member for it (re: "this is highly invasive" etc.). Remarkable how times change.


I myself am rather impressed with this as well. I personally did not want to try out the ads or donations and felt strange in doing so... but it has worked out well. the new parts should start arriving tomorrow and i should have the new server built Wednesday night. hopefully i can get it in place either this Friday or the following Monday. I should have pictures of both the old and new hardware :)
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#178501)
koitsu wrote:
Consider me very impressed that the donations were so high -- all for pretty much 1 site (I think) -- and that puts a smile on my face. I think we live in different times now, as had I applied this exact approach for Parodius as a whole, there is no chance in hell we would've gotten US$500+ donations, and I would have been chastised and lectured in full by every user/visitor/community member for it (re: "this is highly invasive" etc.). Remarkable how times change.

Note that this is because one particular campain has just been made to gather donations, and that there was no precedent on this. This probably won't work as well the next time, where people could say "I already donated" or whathever.

Also the active members here probably increased.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#178502)
Long ago I wrote a script to snapshot phpBB 2, but I haven't updated it for 3. I do have static versions of wwwThreads (the old forum prior to November 2004) and the wiki, and I've updated the wiki snapshot today.

The static copy of wwwThreads is 9.1 MB uncompressed and may keep you from needing to reinstall wwwThreads, so long as you write a simple script at http://nesdev.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/wwwthreads.pl to point to the appropriate page in the static copy. The less active but unmaintained software, the better. Or is that not a problem?
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Next time, give the donation box its own ID, so that you don't have to do like was posted above, in case the user wishes to hide or move it. Other stuff on the page should also be given its own ID in case the user wishes to hide or move (or resize) them, such as the style buttons when writing a message, colours when writing a message, etc. (If you want, you could give them a new ID each time a new donation campaign starts, so that the user will see each one at least once. If you want it both ways (hide it permanently, and hide it only per campaign), assign it both a class and a ID!)
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#178539)
I've signed up for a small recurring payment. I'll "subscribe" to NESDev - on my own volition!
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#179751)
WhoaMan wrote:
We had three donations come in after that last post, we have surpassed the goal and are now at $749.45. Since we have reached the goal, the donate button has been removed from the corner of the forums. It looks like we should have our new server and get it up and running sometime between the 2nd and 9th.

thanks again to everyone who donated :)
Hmm..unfortunately I wasn't following this and just caught up now. Are donations still needed or do you have everything you need? If more is needed I can help...
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#179823)
Bregalad wrote:
Note that this is because one particular campain has just been made to gather donations, and that there was no precedent on this. This probably won't work as well the next time, where people could say "I already donated" or whathever.

Based on my experience with a few other sites, raising funds annually in this manner tends to be consistently successful.


jwdonal wrote:
Are donations still needed or do you have everything you need? If more is needed I can help...

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We are currently at $749.45 and have surpassed our $600 goal for a new server
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#180196)
I'd do a Patreon, or monthly recurring Paypal subscription. As others have said, Patreon is a great idea.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#187310)
Patreon is an excellent idea but it might get the attention of Nintendo? I know nothing here is necessarily illegal but usually it's not a matter of who's right, but who has the bigger legal budget.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Rich bullies shouldn't have any more influence; so I don't recognize that as an issue. Corruption is corruption. There's legal money and fines to be made from corruption in the same way that kick-backs are given to fascist public figures. If Nintendo wanted to take down NESdev, they would have a long time ago. Without NESdev there likely would not be the prevalence of their PC emulation and console Virtual Console markets.

I wouldn't sweat that too much, plus it's not like we're poor and will lay down like dogs on the issue if someone wants a fight.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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If Nintendo wanted to go after public discussion of development of unlicensed games for patent-expired platforms, it would have done so around the release of the first Battle Kid. At this point, if WhoaMan has a lawyer, he can plead laches: Nintendo has been aware yet unreasonably delayed suit.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Punch wrote:
Patreon is an excellent idea but it might get the attention of Nintendo? I know nothing here is necessarily illegal but usually it's not a matter of who's right, but who has the bigger legal budget.

Paratheon is horrible. It requires a credit card and many people (I for instance) do not have any. It requires you to donate money every month when you would want to do yearly or single-time donations.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Feels a little incongruous seeing forum ads for things that are in the wiki's abusefilter. I suppose paying advertisers differ from spam in that they're paying.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#190663)
Keep the Ads but allow for a subscription\donation option to remove the ads for those users.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#199243)
I see Patreon suggested and I think it's perfect. It allows users to use PayPal too.

I am rarely logged in mainly because I'm absorbing the words of the gurus here, but I say keep the ads. They are bearable.

I will definitely throw money at NESDev for a new server. This place is like any other institution of higher learning and my tuition is simply due.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#199429)
Bregalad wrote:
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Paratheon is horrible. It requires a credit card and many people (I for instance) do not have any. It requires you to donate money every month when you would want to do yearly or single-time donations.his blog


You can donate one-time on Patreon by just deleting your pledge after you have been charged the first time. Also it's not hard to get a credit/debit card. Just go to your bank and ask for a card. Mastercard and Visa are the most common.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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micronix wrote:
Also it's not hard to get a credit/debit card. Just go to your bank and ask for a card. Mastercard and Visa are the most common.

Not nowadays in the era of stricter anti-money-laundering laws, sometimes collectively called "Know Your Customer". To establish a customer's identity and tax the interest paid on deposits, the bank requires several documents that an older minor or young adult may not be able to produce on a moment's notice. User "Burgundy Settee #3" in the Cyanide & Happiness fan community has run into roadblocks with this.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#202020)
How about some nesdev merch? I'd love a nesdev teeshirt or even a cc65 tee shirt. :D
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#202036)
cc65 isn't affiliated with nesdev.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#202038)
calima wrote:
cc65 isn't affiliated with nesdev.

Yeah I know. I want a tee shirt anyway. :lol:
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#202057)
GradualGames wrote:
How about some nesdev merch? I'd love a nesdev teeshirt or even a cc65 tee shirt. :D

Wow. Personally I already have 50+ teeshirts 'cause I volunteer in a lot of events and they always rewards with a tshirt, so getting more isn't going to be very useful.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#202162)
I would totally wear nesdev related shirts if they were for sale, and then wear them to show off that I'm an ultra nerd.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Having worked closely with a textile industry museum, i get horrified by the amount of t-shirts getting produced, how many tonnes of t-shirts are thrown away, and how many there are in the average wardrobe. The social and environmental aspects aren't pretty to look at. When youtubers sell their promotional stuff, i cringe. That said, a nesdev tshirt/piqué isn't quite like a company/event/promotional tshirt. It'd be a small run, and i'd wear it for as long as the fabric holds. Better have a good look at materials, quality and production, though. I don't mind paying for something that'll last.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#202180)
NovaSquirrel wrote:
I would totally wear nesdev related shirts if they were for sale, and then wear them to show off that I'm an ultra nerd.

I have the exact oposite goal in life, that is, to hide whether possible I'm an "ultra nerd".

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Having worked closely with a textile industry museum, i get horrified by the amount of t-shirts getting produced, how many tonnes of t-shirts are thrown away, and how many there are in the average wardrobe.

Well I don't throw any away but I have 60+ of them in my wardrobe, and I barely bought less than 10 of them, all others were offered to me. And I don't know why it's so convenient to offer t-shirt, if they did the same for all kind of clothes with an equal frequency and not just t-shirts it'd be much more useful. For example these days raincoat would be more useful than yet another tshirt.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
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Bregalad wrote:
I have the exact oposite goal in life, that is, to hide whether possible I'm an "ultra nerd".

Nobody in the real world knows what NesDev is, your secret is safe! :lol: I have tons of nerdy t-shirts, and would love an NesDev one if the design was cool, but importing t-shirts is waaay to expensive for me and completely out of question right now.
Re: Nesdev.com funding
by on (#202728)
Bregalad wrote:
NovaSquirrel wrote:
I would totally wear nesdev related shirts if they were for sale, and then wear them to show off that I'm an ultra nerd.

I have the exact oposite goal in life, that is, to hide whether possible I'm an "ultra nerd".


Haha, I thought being a nerd was the new cool these days. It seems every five seconds I hear people competing for how Nerdy they are because they watch Game of Thrones or whatever. :roll: